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I don't wanna attend an Italian MSc, since they really suck, but I also don't have enough money to join a UK or American university. That's why I have thought about RSM in Rotterdam, which both Financial Times and Newsweek rate as the 6th best business school in Europe and which only costs about 1500€ (1000£) a year.  Read all comments »

If you haven't got a graduate training place, but are desperate to work in banking, will an MSc help you get what you want?

YES, if…

You studied a non-finance degree. If you graduated (or will graduate) in English literature or geography, an MSc in a finance-related subject shows you're keen. "It shows your commitment to the industry," says Julia Barbour, a consultant at finance recruitment firm Cornell Partnership. "You'll be on more solid ground when it's finished."

You have no finance-related work experience. Most students from Continental Europe have both an MSc and financial services work experience. The MSc won't do anything about the work experience but it will make you their academic equal.

You apply to the right school. Plenty of universities offer financial services MScs, but banks only hire from a few of them, and then only from favoured courses. The best universities and courses for a finance-related MSc include:

• the MSc in Finance at Imperial College's Tanaka Business School or its more specialist MSc in Risk Management and Financial Engineering

• the MSc in Financial Mathematics at Warwick

• the Masters in Financial Economics at Oxford University's Said Business School

• the MPhil in Finance at Judge Business School in Cambridge

• the MSc in Finance at the London School of Economics

Cass Business School also offers a number of MSc courses, which are viewed quite favourably by banks. And Reading University's ICMA Centre offers a very wide range of specialist programmes, plus its more general flagship MSc in International Securities, Investment and Banking.

You want to go into financial markets (rather than corporate finance). "The increased complexity of financial products means there's likely to be on-going demand for candidates with qualifications like an MSc," says Malcolm Horton, head of European graduate recruitment and development for Lehman Brothers.

You want to work in a hedge fund. As small organisations, hedge funds don't have the training resources of larger banks and are therefore keen on MSc students. "They will only take people with an MSc because they've had the technical training," says Lindsay Bortoluzzi, head of postgraduate employment at Cass Business School in London.

NO, if…

You got a low 2.2 in your first degree. Most big American bulge-bracket banks will discount anyone without a 2.1 degree, even if they have an MSc. However, some European banks will entertain applications from students who have strong A levels and were predicted a 2.1 but didn't quite make it. Unfortunately, they won't go on the record saying who they are. However, a graduate recruiter at one large European bank says, "A 2.1 is not a make or break for us, so an MSc can help. But we are in the minority."

You're innumerate. It's no good doing an MSc if you have the mathematical aptitude of Paris Hilton (who may well be a whiz at stochastic analysis for all we know). But if your maths is that bad you may not get onto an MSc course in the first place.

You want to be a quant. If you fancy being a quant, you're better off going straight into a PhD. Several banks, including JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley, offer specific entry positions for candidates with PhDs in maths, physics or other quantitative disciplines.

You plan to skip the first few years of training and come in at a higher level. You may have forked out many thousands of pounds and studied finance for a whole year, but after doing an MSc most banks will treat you just the same as a graduate with a Bachelor's degree. It's a sad truth, but with banks getting 30 to 40 applications for each analyst they have no need to treat MSc applicants any differently.

You're doing it as a filler and are not sure what you really want to do. "An MSc is a good thing, but what really matters is your motivation and your communication skills," says Lucy Evans, a graduate recruiter at ABN AMRO. "You won't be better equipped if you don't know what you want at the end of the year."

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Anonymous, Student,  Fri 11 May 07

HT:

Hi there. Thanks so much for sharing the info. That brightens up my day because there is at least a chance for me. Cheers!

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Eriks, Information Technology,  Sat 12 May 07

Your response and advice has beeen of great benefit to us;
I graduated in feb2007 with a 2:1 in computer studies. I would like to deploy my IT skills in financial management and has been offered MSc- Computational Finance Uni of Nottingham in september 2007. Considering that I am 33years now, what are the other options available me

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Anonymous, Student,  Sat 12 May 07

I did an MSc in Accounting and Finance at a "redbrick" university and am now completing my Chartered Accountancy exams. Both of these funded by myself. 9 months later I am still unemployed!! Maybe some employers are scared or feel intimidated, as most of them do not even have a degree.

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anonymous, Asset Management,  Sun 13 May 07

A very good article. Now, why is not London Business School included in the school list? I thought is the most prestigous school in UK?

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Anon, Investment Banking / M & A,  Sun 13 May 07

I think that article is good.  Would be nice is Universities gave a similar message out to students thinking they will make it with an MSc despite having poor A levels, and also a poor degree.

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Henry W,  Mon 14 May 07

Good article and good feed back?Thank you.
Judging by the amount of questions students place after an article, it may be useful if there is a bulletin board of some kind set up on this site. I’m sure people have common questions, and it would be incredibly useful to get feed back from people in the know.

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nicola, Student,  Mon 14 May 07

Hi everyone,just a quick question. i read that it could be difficult to move from operation to front office roles once you've worked in back office. currently I'm doing an industrial placement within operation with a us investment bank will finish in July.Just wondering what are the chances to get into front office graduate scheme for next year.

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Mick S, Corporate Banking,  Mon 14 May 07

My experience is that I did two temp jobs over two different summers, and have none of the proper 'internship' experiences.  However, while my BSc did not get me anywhere, doing an MSc at the LSE has resulted in a job offer at one of the so-called big banks.  Result of being at a 'brand name' university?  I think so. 


Result of an MSc?  Probably not as much.  My opinion is choose wisely - try to reach for the higher-ranked universities, don't stay at the same uni as you did your undergraduate degree, and study something different rather than give in to the thought of 'I did this before so the Masters version must an easy transition'.

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anonymous, Student,  Mon 14 May 07

what about a Msc in Finance at Lancaster LUMS?


Thank you for your response

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DJ, Investment Banking / M & A,  Mon 14 May 07

Good article.


However, a couple of points to raise. I think you will find that London Business school's Masters in Finance is certainly one of the best, if not the best, finance Msc's there is. Contrary to what has been written, it is possible to get on to an I-Bank Associate Programme, at least with an LBS Msc.


Definitely worth doing but do not undersimate the commitment required.

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