If you haven't got a graduate training place, but are desperate to work in banking, will an MSc help you get what you want?
YES, if…
You studied a non-finance degree. If you graduated (or will graduate) in English literature or geography, an MSc in a finance-related subject shows you're keen. "It shows your commitment to the industry," says Julia Barbour, a consultant at finance recruitment firm Cornell Partnership. "You'll be on more solid ground when it's finished."
You have no finance-related work experience. Most students from Continental Europe have both an MSc and financial services work experience. The MSc won't do anything about the work experience but it will make you their academic equal.
You apply to the right school. Plenty of universities offer financial services MScs, but banks only hire from a few of them, and then only from favoured courses. The best universities and courses for a finance-related MSc include:
• the MSc in Finance at Imperial College's Tanaka Business School or its more specialist MSc in Risk Management and Financial Engineering
• the MSc in Financial Mathematics at Warwick
• the Masters in Financial Economics at Oxford University's Said Business School
• the MPhil in Finance at Judge Business School in Cambridge
• the MSc in Finance at the London School of Economics
Cass Business School also offers a number of MSc courses, which are viewed quite favourably by banks. And Reading University's ICMA Centre offers a very wide range of specialist programmes, plus its more general flagship MSc in International Securities, Investment and Banking.
You want to go into financial markets (rather than corporate finance). "The increased complexity of financial products means there's likely to be on-going demand for candidates with qualifications like an MSc," says Malcolm Horton, head of European graduate recruitment and development for Lehman Brothers.
You want to work in a hedge fund. As small organisations, hedge funds don't have the training resources of larger banks and are therefore keen on MSc students. "They will only take people with an MSc because they've had the technical training," says Lindsay Bortoluzzi, head of postgraduate employment at Cass Business School in London.
NO, if…
You got a low 2.2 in your first degree. Most big American bulge-bracket banks will discount anyone without a 2.1 degree, even if they have an MSc. However, some European banks will entertain applications from students who have strong A levels and were predicted a 2.1 but didn't quite make it. Unfortunately, they won't go on the record saying who they are. However, a graduate recruiter at one large European bank says, "A 2.1 is not a make or break for us, so an MSc can help. But we are in the minority."
You're innumerate. It's no good doing an MSc if you have the mathematical aptitude of Paris Hilton (who may well be a whiz at stochastic analysis for all we know). But if your maths is that bad you may not get onto an MSc course in the first place.
You want to be a quant. If you fancy being a quant, you're better off going straight into a PhD. Several banks, including JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley, offer specific entry positions for candidates with PhDs in maths, physics or other quantitative disciplines.
You plan to skip the first few years of training and come in at a higher level. You may have forked out many thousands of pounds and studied finance for a whole year, but after doing an MSc most banks will treat you just the same as a graduate with a Bachelor's degree. It's a sad truth, but with banks getting 30 to 40 applications for each analyst they have no need to treat MSc applicants any differently.
You're doing it as a filler and are not sure what you really want to do. "An MSc is a good thing, but what really matters is your motivation and your communication skills," says Lucy Evans, a graduate recruiter at ABN AMRO. "You won't be better equipped if you don't know what you want at the end of the year."
Hi again everyone,
Here are a few responses to your new questions...
To 'anonymous, student,' I'd say go ahead and ask the bank that's made you an offer whether you can join in 2007 rather than 2008 - given they've already offered you a place, and been willing to defer it, they're obviously keen. On the other hand, if you've secured a place already, having an MSc. won't do any harm.
To Eriks, I'd say having an MSc. in computational finance from Nottingham should be a good idea - banks are desperate for IT staff right now and are hiring wherever they can find them. This MSc. should make you all the more appealing.
To everyone who's asked why LBS isn't on the list - we left it off because you can typically only study the Masters in Finance course at LBS once you already have work experience - unlike the MScs we've listed. In this sense, it's more similar to MBA, which is also why you enter as an associate.
Re the bulletin boards - we're working on it!
Re. landing a front office role in the 2007 graduate intake - it's probably too late now. Some banks do, however, help people move out of ops into the front office...
And re Lancaster. I haven't heard any graduate recruiters saying they hire there. This isn't to say they don't ever - but you'll probably be better off at one of their favoured schools.
Hope this helps.
How come we only talk about getting into Investment Banks? I know they pay more but you could end up having no social life. What ever happened to working at the commercial banking arm of a global financial institution? I've been offered such a role and the compensation is quite good.
My advise to candidates is do not get stuck on investment banks(especially if you are having trouble landing a role). There are other types of banks out there.
I am so pleased you have this comment function..the advice is really honest and useful. Do you plan to have an online community/board on your site soon for students?
If not other than this are there other ways we can commuicate on this site?
I am planning to do an MSc with focus on real estate- economics/finance/investment. I have been accepted to LSE and Cass, which one will give me the best opportunities in the city? I am not necessarly looking to work for a bank but rather in asset management or some kind of investment fund. The programs are quite similar in content, which one should i choose?
Add your comment »Hi Bob,
In response to your question, a real estate investment headhunter advises you go for LSE, which he says is 'much better than Cass.' Other good real estate investment courses in the UK are reportedly to be found at Reading University and Cambridge University.
Thanks for the useful article. I currently have two offers, one is MSc Maths and Finance in Imperial College, the other is MSc Mathematical and Computational Finace in the University of Oxford. After graduation, I'd like to work in the investment bank, so which one is the better choice?
Thanks very much!
How about any Postgrad degrees abroad, particularly in the US. There must be many reputable unis that carry just as much weight in London offices as the listed degrees?
An advantage of this is that you get to see another country for at least a year and the cost may be lower than ones here.
Li Kai:
Personally, I would say MSc Maths and Finance from Imperial is better! Not only because I study here (haha...), 75% of our coursemates got offers from i-banks, and more than half of them are front office roles - mostly M & A or Sales & Trading. The rest (the 25%) go to other industries such as consultancy, accountancy etc.
Plus, you could enjoy the London life, and perhaps get a part-time job in a financial firm to gain more financial experiences before you join the i-banks :)
All the best! Imperial rocks!!!
Re LI KAI: congratulations on the two MSc offers, but I think you're asking the wrong question. Seeing as both your offers come from target schools on courses that are somewhat similar, I think you can look into things like location and actual course contents rather than simply say 'which one would get me into an ibank?'. Let's face it - an undergraduate degree from IC or Oxford would get you through the screening stage, let alone an MSc, right?! My personal opinion is that being in London exposes you to more careers events, and probably makes travelling to interviews a bit easier (assuming you have them), but you might be drawn to Oxford cuz of cheaper living costs and the fact that Oxford is, well, Oxford! Choose something you feel good about cuz, like I said, you probably won't have much problem getting through to interviews on either of them!
(My comments are purely my opinion, so don't quote me on them!)
I thought I would never say this - but go to France!!! The Grande Ecoles/Business Schools there rate higher than their UK equivalents (in FT rankings the top 7 schools (MSc) are all based in France) - you may even learn a foreign language (which surely increases your chances…)! Plus your fees & cost of living will be in Euros....
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