If you haven't got a graduate training place, but are desperate to work in banking, will an MSc help you get what you want?
YES, if…
You studied a non-finance degree. If you graduated (or will graduate) in English literature or geography, an MSc in a finance-related subject shows you're keen. "It shows your commitment to the industry," says Julia Barbour, a consultant at finance recruitment firm Cornell Partnership. "You'll be on more solid ground when it's finished."
You have no finance-related work experience. Most students from Continental Europe have both an MSc and financial services work experience. The MSc won't do anything about the work experience but it will make you their academic equal.
You apply to the right school. Plenty of universities offer financial services MScs, but banks only hire from a few of them, and then only from favoured courses. The best universities and courses for a finance-related MSc include:
• the MSc in Finance at Imperial College's Tanaka Business School or its more specialist MSc in Risk Management and Financial Engineering
• the MSc in Financial Mathematics at Warwick
• the Masters in Financial Economics at Oxford University's Said Business School
• the MPhil in Finance at Judge Business School in Cambridge
• the MSc in Finance at the London School of Economics
Cass Business School also offers a number of MSc courses, which are viewed quite favourably by banks. And Reading University's ICMA Centre offers a very wide range of specialist programmes, plus its more general flagship MSc in International Securities, Investment and Banking.
You want to go into financial markets (rather than corporate finance). "The increased complexity of financial products means there's likely to be on-going demand for candidates with qualifications like an MSc," says Malcolm Horton, head of European graduate recruitment and development for Lehman Brothers.
You want to work in a hedge fund. As small organisations, hedge funds don't have the training resources of larger banks and are therefore keen on MSc students. "They will only take people with an MSc because they've had the technical training," says Lindsay Bortoluzzi, head of postgraduate employment at Cass Business School in London.
NO, if…
You got a low 2.2 in your first degree. Most big American bulge-bracket banks will discount anyone without a 2.1 degree, even if they have an MSc. However, some European banks will entertain applications from students who have strong A levels and were predicted a 2.1 but didn't quite make it. Unfortunately, they won't go on the record saying who they are. However, a graduate recruiter at one large European bank says, "A 2.1 is not a make or break for us, so an MSc can help. But we are in the minority."
You're innumerate. It's no good doing an MSc if you have the mathematical aptitude of Paris Hilton (who may well be a whiz at stochastic analysis for all we know). But if your maths is that bad you may not get onto an MSc course in the first place.
You want to be a quant. If you fancy being a quant, you're better off going straight into a PhD. Several banks, including JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley, offer specific entry positions for candidates with PhDs in maths, physics or other quantitative disciplines.
You plan to skip the first few years of training and come in at a higher level. You may have forked out many thousands of pounds and studied finance for a whole year, but after doing an MSc most banks will treat you just the same as a graduate with a Bachelor's degree. It's a sad truth, but with banks getting 30 to 40 applications for each analyst they have no need to treat MSc applicants any differently.
You're doing it as a filler and are not sure what you really want to do. "An MSc is a good thing, but what really matters is your motivation and your communication skills," says Lucy Evans, a graduate recruiter at ABN AMRO. "You won't be better equipped if you don't know what you want at the end of the year."
Hi,
I am a second ywar student studying for a BA in Business Studies. I am keen to get into Investment Banking, however I was unable to secure an internship this summer. I am currently planning to do a 3week placement in teaching, just to get some experience and cash!
I know this isnt related to my chosen career. What advice can you give to make sure I have a productive summer, something that will appeal to i-banks. Is the teaching placement at all useful? Any direction anyone can give will be very much appreciated.
To Marcello or anyone else with some tangible information about the MSc Investment Management at Cass
Given it is apparently impossible to contact anybody in private, could you please give me some practical information about the above-mentioned course?
From what I've gathered, please correct me if I'm wrong, it does seem a more practical, less academical course than Warwick, LSE, MBS and the likes. You do have however access to trading rooms, certainly an advantage which should well be kept into consideration, as Gareth, Trading explained.
It would be great to know if it's reasonably feasible to receive concrete job offers right after or before the completion of the course, maybe after a research project with a partner institution. How is the course considered by recruiters in the asset management/ hedge fund industry? Is it unthinkable to land a job as a trader?
Second, what are the chances of getting a place in one of the university's halls of residence, as I suppose they are much cheaper than any private accomodation, considering the area.
Any in particular you would suggest?
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Cheers,
Giovanni
To BA Business Studies student..
Call your local stockbrokers / investment management firms and ask if you can do some work experience. Most will say no, especially if you send them a letter.
Get on the phone - be persistent and sell yourself. It's much more difficult for them to say no that way. Someone in HR might give in and arrange something for you.
That way you can get some finance / financial markets related work experience on your CV.
Hi everyone, can anybody tell me is MSc in Finance at Manchester Business School is highly regarded among investment banks. Thanks indeed
Add your comment »Hi everyone, I am a recent graduate currently temping in a middle office role in an investment bank and was thinking of applying to LSE and CASS to do the part time MSc Finance courses. I was wondering, would I still be eligible to apply for the summer internships/ grad schemes afterwards in 2008/2009 when I will be 24 even though I 'graduated' in 2006?
Many thanks!
Chi, I think it depends to some extent as to what you want to do upon graduation. For a position in risk management, then the former sounds more useful, whilst the latter is more likely to provide a general degree course. As you say the reputation of both is sound, although I would suggest that the LSE enjoys a more prestigious (and more widely known) reputation than Tanaka. No doubt the LSE course is also considerably cheaper too...
Add your comment »oh so you mean it would be more advantageous to go to LSE rather than IC ? how big an advantage is that though?
Add your comment »Hi everyone, I did Econ and Stats in UCL for my undergraduate degree. I've got two offers, one is from LSE doing MSc in Statistics. another is MA in statistics from Coloumbia Univeristy NY. Which course do you think would have higher chance of landing me a job in IB? 'middle' or 'back' office job is also acceptable, does a post-grad degree from US uni. weighed highly than UK ones? thanks for the advice
Add your comment »hi everyone, i currently studying an MSC coures in international trade and deperatly looking for a summer internship in ship broking, shipping insurance or risk management. Can anyone point me i the right direction i will be of most gratitude. thank you
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