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I don't wanna attend an Italian MSc, since they really suck, but I also don't have enough money to join a UK or American university. That's why I have thought about RSM in Rotterdam, which both Financial Times and Newsweek rate as the 6th best business school in Europe and which only costs about 1500€ (1000£) a year.  Read all comments »

If you haven't got a graduate training place, but are desperate to work in banking, will an MSc help you get what you want?

YES, if…

You studied a non-finance degree. If you graduated (or will graduate) in English literature or geography, an MSc in a finance-related subject shows you're keen. "It shows your commitment to the industry," says Julia Barbour, a consultant at finance recruitment firm Cornell Partnership. "You'll be on more solid ground when it's finished."

You have no finance-related work experience. Most students from Continental Europe have both an MSc and financial services work experience. The MSc won't do anything about the work experience but it will make you their academic equal.

You apply to the right school. Plenty of universities offer financial services MScs, but banks only hire from a few of them, and then only from favoured courses. The best universities and courses for a finance-related MSc include:

• the MSc in Finance at Imperial College's Tanaka Business School or its more specialist MSc in Risk Management and Financial Engineering

• the MSc in Financial Mathematics at Warwick

• the Masters in Financial Economics at Oxford University's Said Business School

• the MPhil in Finance at Judge Business School in Cambridge

• the MSc in Finance at the London School of Economics

Cass Business School also offers a number of MSc courses, which are viewed quite favourably by banks. And Reading University's ICMA Centre offers a very wide range of specialist programmes, plus its more general flagship MSc in International Securities, Investment and Banking.

You want to go into financial markets (rather than corporate finance). "The increased complexity of financial products means there's likely to be on-going demand for candidates with qualifications like an MSc," says Malcolm Horton, head of European graduate recruitment and development for Lehman Brothers.

You want to work in a hedge fund. As small organisations, hedge funds don't have the training resources of larger banks and are therefore keen on MSc students. "They will only take people with an MSc because they've had the technical training," says Lindsay Bortoluzzi, head of postgraduate employment at Cass Business School in London.

NO, if…

You got a low 2.2 in your first degree. Most big American bulge-bracket banks will discount anyone without a 2.1 degree, even if they have an MSc. However, some European banks will entertain applications from students who have strong A levels and were predicted a 2.1 but didn't quite make it. Unfortunately, they won't go on the record saying who they are. However, a graduate recruiter at one large European bank says, "A 2.1 is not a make or break for us, so an MSc can help. But we are in the minority."

You're innumerate. It's no good doing an MSc if you have the mathematical aptitude of Paris Hilton (who may well be a whiz at stochastic analysis for all we know). But if your maths is that bad you may not get onto an MSc course in the first place.

You want to be a quant. If you fancy being a quant, you're better off going straight into a PhD. Several banks, including JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley, offer specific entry positions for candidates with PhDs in maths, physics or other quantitative disciplines.

You plan to skip the first few years of training and come in at a higher level. You may have forked out many thousands of pounds and studied finance for a whole year, but after doing an MSc most banks will treat you just the same as a graduate with a Bachelor's degree. It's a sad truth, but with banks getting 30 to 40 applications for each analyst they have no need to treat MSc applicants any differently.

You're doing it as a filler and are not sure what you really want to do. "An MSc is a good thing, but what really matters is your motivation and your communication skills," says Lucy Evans, a graduate recruiter at ABN AMRO. "You won't be better equipped if you don't know what you want at the end of the year."

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Kumar, Insurance,  Wed 06 Jun 07

Check Cass Business School

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Anonymous, Student,  Thu 07 Jun 07

Chi, its not a massive advantage, but like I said before it should probably depend more on what you are interested in doing career wise since you would no doubt be asked to justify your course selection at interview and would be interesting if you wanted to pursue a career in sales / trading to know why you chose a masters in risk management.



Yingbo, both of those sound like reputable courses. I don't think either weighs more strongly necessarily, but it largely depends on which country you want to work in after graduation.

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Anonymous, Student,  Fri 08 Jun 07

Hi everyone, I'm graduating this July in Engineering with a 1st (hopefully) and want to get into i-banking. I see someone mentioned studying an MSc Investments at the University of Birmingham, does anyone know how well this is seen in i-banks eyes? Wasn't on the suggested list but is still a redbrick Uni??



I also couldnt get an i-bank summer placement, what is the most productive CV booster for me to do this summer as I have no finance related experience. Thanks

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Anonymous, Student,  Fri 08 Jun 07

I will like to post a question to readers. It would be good to hear back from any professionals, HR or recruitment people.



I completed my A levels in 1996 and subsequently began an import and export business.  In addition i bought and sold properties abroad. 



I subsequently took some time off and decided to study for my first degee in construction management in which a graduate in June 2007.  As you can gather time have elapse and i am now 32 years of age. 



I will appreciate any guidance and direction that will enable me to attain a job in investment banking. 



For example will it better to do an MBA or MSc in finance related degree or should  i opt for a professional course. 



Bearing in mind my age and my background, will i be making a wise choice if i were to invest in further education or professional courses as i mentioned above?

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Anonymous, Corporate Banking,  Sun 10 Jun 07

Please kindly advice me on choosing between Msc Corporate finance SDA BOCCONI and MSC Finance EDHEC as i have plans of getting a job overseas after my studies. i am a Nigerian too.

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Anonymous, Corporate Banking,  Sun 10 Jun 07

please how did you fund your ISIB Icma centre Reading course. i need a scholarship because i got admission for this course.

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Yosuke, Debt / Fixed Income,  Sun 10 Jun 07

Hi all, I have some offers but since I am not from UK really dont know what to choose. I have an internship at DCM this summer and would like to work there. Can somebody help me out here?




-MSc Finance and Economics, LSE


-MSc Economics and Finance, Warwick


-MSc Finance, Imperial


I was going for LSE originally because Imperial has soo many people on the course (130 double the number of the other two) and is more expensive. But some here say that it is better to do Warwick or Imperial because the courses are CFA recognised.




Can anybody provide me with a valid recommendation? If not bettween LSE (no deposit required) and the others then at least bettween Warwick and Imperial so I know which deposit to make?




Thank you very much for the time!

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Dan,  Mon 11 Jun 07

How about an Economics MSc from Birkbeck College..




Is that viewed favorably by banks..?

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Dan,  Mon 11 Jun 07

How about an Economics MSc from Birkbeck College..



Is that viewed favorably by banks..?

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Chong Zhemin, Accounting,  Tue 12 Jun 07

Dear all,



I have a question. Is it wise to do a MSc in finance without getting any work experience. I just graduated from a Malaysian University with a bachelor of commerce(hons) accounting. I am now working in PwC malaysia as an associate. I plan to do an MSc in Finance in the sept. Do you feel that I should go on and gain a few years experience before taking up an MSC?? thanks for all the opinions.

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