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Please, give out some real-life internship advice and stop this 'you won't get in if you're not from a target school'.  Read all comments »

Only 50% to 60% of people who complete an investment bank's summer internship are offered a full-time graduate job. How can you ensure you're one of them?

Here's some advice from graduate recruiters and interns who made the grade.

Identify where the jobs are. Not every desk or team that takes on an intern will have a vacancy for a full time graduate recruit, warns Philip Stadniczenk, a former physics student at St. Anne's College, Oxford, who interned two summers ago in the equity research department of JPMorgan. "Whether you receive an offer depends upon whether the desk you work on has any openings," he says. "If they don't, talk to the graduate recruiters and ask to be moved on, or ask them to recommend you to another desk that does have a vacancy."

Be prepared to work long and hard. Internships are intended as a realistic introduction to the world of banking, so don't expect to rock in at 9.30am each morning and leave at 5.30pm each afternoon. "I arrived at 6am every morning," says Stadniczenk. "On a good day I'd go home between 6pm and 7pm. But if required I'd stay until 10pm."

Be innovative. At JPMorgan, Stadniczenk says he came up with a way of predicting shipments of PCs in his spare time. "I drew on my physics modelling background and developed a new kind of model," he says. "It was very useful – I got to meet more people in the firm than I would otherwise, and was given more responsibility as a result. You need to show that you can add value and do things that other interns can't".

Put yourself about. "You need to build an understanding of how everything links in and works together," says Satheesh Nadarajah, who works in institutional client sales at Deutsche Bank and is a former student of economics at Cambridge University. He says the best way of doing this is to ensure you work on different desks during the internship. "I started in pan-European equity sales, and then moved to sit with the sales traders, the research guys and the people who ran hedge fund services." This strategy offers the additional advantage of building a broad network of contacts across the bank, one of whom may be in a position to offer you a full time job.

Learn from people around you. It's no good spending the internship in a bubble. Most of what you learn will come from conversations with the people around you. "At the end of the internship you'll be tested on what you've learned during the ten weeks," warns Deutsche Bank's Satheesh. "You might think you know the answers just because you've read a particular book or mastered a particular model, but there's no substitute for the kind of knowledge that comes from talking to people with experience of actually doing the job." The head of graduate recruitment at one European bank says it will help to make a note of what you're told: "It may seem anal, but it's worth it," she says.

Find people you like ...and then cultivate the relationship. "Look for people that have the same way of thinking as you," advises a former derivatives trader with Morgan Stanley who studied finance and management at HEC in France. "Do your best to build relationships. Make friends with the people you're working with during the internship, and then keep in touch: if you move onto another desk, send them an email or call to find out what's going on."

Be persistent. "I had to put together a report for the weekly bulletin" says Ingrid Hammond, a former maths student at Cambridge University who interned two years ago with BNP Paribas. "I sent out an email to all the regional teams asking for them to send in what they had been working on, but very few of them immediately came back to me," she recalls. "In that situation you need the confidence to go up to the desks and ask for people to help, rather than just sitting in your seat and hoping for the best."

Be enthusiastic. "It's all about attitude," says the graduate recruiter. "A lot of what you will be doing is not rocket science. What will distinguish you is a can-do approach and a willingness to make that extra effort." It's no good thinking that just because you're a student from a top university, you're above fetching the coffees, she warns. Wherever you work, she says you could even turn the coffee-run to your advantage. "Its called currencies of exchange – you might want to offer to fetch the coffees in return for a chat about what happened with a particular trade that morning."

Take the initiative. "During the internship, you'll have a lot of freedom to find something you're interested in and then work on it," says Olanrewaju Fatimilehin, a debt capital markets banker at Goldman Sachs and former student of chemical engineering at Imperial College London. "I was interested in structured finance, so asked if I could help in that area. I then worked on an investor presentation for a deal the structured finance team was closing at the time."

COMMENTS

The man,  Fri 22 Jun 07

Doing well in an internship is about one thing: staying the pace. Want to know who's going to be dropped? Look at all the weary faces around you. Surviving as a intern means working hard all day, partying on the occasional night, and staying on top form at all times.

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Trader, Capital Markets,  Fri 22 Jun 07

Boyce, although I agree with you that most grad magazines have profiles of Oxbridge graduates etc, it is not uncommon for someone to land a top job in front office without going to Oxbridge, London and Warwick. Obviously Southampton is not even remotely on the radar - however, schools like Cass, Royal Holloway and Bath are catching up extremely fast my friend. In case you havent heard....http://news.hereisthecity.com/news/business_news/6829.cntns.

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Lex luthor, Student,  Fri 22 Jun 07

Still the debate Oxbridge VS the rest of the world. As Boycie asks, i congratulate him to be such a high calibre. It is true that in philosophy in Cambridge, you study financial maths, and other numerical and engineering courses. Those schools are really the best: you don't even need to be good and "demonstrate your interest for the industry", as some HR said. You are interested in finance and you are about to graduate in finance or in a business school? Forget about it and study philosophy in Oxbridge, as in fact HR don't care at all about your so called interest in the industry.  Thanks to a philosophy degree you think while trading, but the rest of the world cannot ( too stupid probably, according to big headed students, sorry, Oxbridge finance future rising stars of the City).



If everything is about contact, we should set up a big net of non Oxbridge grads to strenghten our forces and to teach those guys more respect and what diversity really is ( the only two things they don't know in the entire Knowledge) by those guys, who are still human beings ( ok, ok, superior according to a few ones, but human, as surprising as it gets).

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kukungen, Research,  Fri 22 Jun 07

Re:Brose  a)I work for GS b)and in front office.......

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Ha, Capital Markets,  Sat 23 Jun 07

Trader, how on earth can you use that link to back up your case? You're talking about someone who graduated with a Masters age 19, an obvious exception to the rule if ever I saw one!

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Spaniard, Investment Banking / M & A,  Sat 23 Jun 07

The way recruiting works is a shortsighted joke, and it happens all across Europe, where target-school guys get 10x as many opportunities with half the efforts.




  Notice my case: interned last summer in a decent Fixed Income house in the City but no offer got. After like a trillion interviews I have just got a job in a Big 4 CF department, which is not that bad to break in.




  It´s really a sarcasm to see how my 2 Finance focused bachelors plus CFA candidacy cannot do anything against a plain red-brick graduate in History.

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Ralph, Student,  Sat 23 Jun 07

what if my desk does not have any rotations and doesnt have any openings? Does that mean I have no chance to get the full-time offer?

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Mike, Corporate Banking,  Sat 23 Jun 07

I think the most important thing to do during an internship is not to feel bitter about not getting an offer at the end of it.  If you're committed to getting into this sector, you should be able to accept a set back and who knows, things change everyday and you might suddenly find yourself with an offer out of nowhere.




I also think we need to stop the debate about bias towards target schools.  The truth is, there is bias towards target schools, and the reason is that they have students who, above being able to achieve high academic results, are committed to multiple extra-curricular activities.  Besides, plenty of non-target schools people get into the top places, so it's all about your personal attitude and how you can demonstrate you have a range of skills.  Good luck everyone!

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Boycie, Investment Banking / M & A,  Sat 23 Jun 07

Lex, "diversity" means recruiting top people regardless of ethnicity, religion, beliefs, gender etc, provided these things don't impact one's performance. It most certainly does not mean opening up the net and recruiting worse people who were not good enough to get into Oxbridge so had to go to a 2nd-choice university.

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Mike, Trading,  Sun 24 Jun 07

The arrogance of oxbridge graduates never fails to  amuse me.The top tier banks are finally accepting more and more non-oxbridge students as they have realised that there is a bias in the education system.Those who went to a public school then on to oxbrige and a job in the city have not achieved much compared to less fortunate people who have not had the path laid out before them but instead had to fight every barrier to success.Meritocracy is a myth,there is not an equal opportunity to succeed and the backgrounds of oxbridge students prove this.




Personally I lived in poverty and fought adversity to achieve three As at A-level in a failing school and a 1st from Nottingham in Industrial Economics.To non-oxbrige students if you are not there,it is not because they are better than you.It is often because they have had massive advantages and opportunities.The banks realise this and if you are good enough you will get in.Dont lose faith.Diversity means not having a workforce of Oxbridge clones.

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