Only 50% to 60% of people who complete an investment bank's summer internship are offered a full-time graduate job. How can you ensure you're one of them?
Here's some advice from graduate recruiters and interns who made the grade.
Identify where the jobs are. Not every desk or team that takes on an intern will have a vacancy for a full time graduate recruit, warns Philip Stadniczenk, a former physics student at St. Anne's College, Oxford, who interned two summers ago in the equity research department of JPMorgan. "Whether you receive an offer depends upon whether the desk you work on has any openings," he says. "If they don't, talk to the graduate recruiters and ask to be moved on, or ask them to recommend you to another desk that does have a vacancy."
Be prepared to work long and hard. Internships are intended as a realistic introduction to the world of banking, so don't expect to rock in at 9.30am each morning and leave at 5.30pm each afternoon. "I arrived at 6am every morning," says Stadniczenk. "On a good day I'd go home between 6pm and 7pm. But if required I'd stay until 10pm."
Be innovative. At JPMorgan, Stadniczenk says he came up with a way of predicting shipments of PCs in his spare time. "I drew on my physics modelling background and developed a new kind of model," he says. "It was very useful – I got to meet more people in the firm than I would otherwise, and was given more responsibility as a result. You need to show that you can add value and do things that other interns can't".
Put yourself about. "You need to build an understanding of how everything links in and works together," says Satheesh Nadarajah, who works in institutional client sales at Deutsche Bank and is a former student of economics at Cambridge University. He says the best way of doing this is to ensure you work on different desks during the internship. "I started in pan-European equity sales, and then moved to sit with the sales traders, the research guys and the people who ran hedge fund services." This strategy offers the additional advantage of building a broad network of contacts across the bank, one of whom may be in a position to offer you a full time job.
Learn from people around you. It's no good spending the internship in a bubble. Most of what you learn will come from conversations with the people around you. "At the end of the internship you'll be tested on what you've learned during the ten weeks," warns Deutsche Bank's Satheesh. "You might think you know the answers just because you've read a particular book or mastered a particular model, but there's no substitute for the kind of knowledge that comes from talking to people with experience of actually doing the job." The head of graduate recruitment at one European bank says it will help to make a note of what you're told: "It may seem anal, but it's worth it," she says.
Find people you like ...and then cultivate the relationship. "Look for people that have the same way of thinking as you," advises a former derivatives trader with Morgan Stanley who studied finance and management at HEC in France. "Do your best to build relationships. Make friends with the people you're working with during the internship, and then keep in touch: if you move onto another desk, send them an email or call to find out what's going on."
Be persistent. "I had to put together a report for the weekly bulletin" says Ingrid Hammond, a former maths student at Cambridge University who interned two years ago with BNP Paribas. "I sent out an email to all the regional teams asking for them to send in what they had been working on, but very few of them immediately came back to me," she recalls. "In that situation you need the confidence to go up to the desks and ask for people to help, rather than just sitting in your seat and hoping for the best."
Be enthusiastic. "It's all about attitude," says the graduate recruiter. "A lot of what you will be doing is not rocket science. What will distinguish you is a can-do approach and a willingness to make that extra effort." It's no good thinking that just because you're a student from a top university, you're above fetching the coffees, she warns. Wherever you work, she says you could even turn the coffee-run to your advantage. "Its called currencies of exchange – you might want to offer to fetch the coffees in return for a chat about what happened with a particular trade that morning."
Take the initiative. "During the internship, you'll have a lot of freedom to find something you're interested in and then work on it," says Olanrewaju Fatimilehin, a debt capital markets banker at Goldman Sachs and former student of chemical engineering at Imperial College London. "I was interested in structured finance, so asked if I could help in that area. I then worked on an investor presentation for a deal the structured finance team was closing at the time."
stop arguing about the size of your appendages...never read such childish rubbish in my life. You're obviously all totally insecure about where you work to the degree where you bicker about it on here all day.
Add your comment »Mike, fortunately with the summer interns selected this year the Oxbridge dominance will remain on. I went to an event today for all the new London summer interns, about 200 people were there - http://cambridge.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2469576130. As a whole the people doing front office IB were well-groomed, middle class and Oxbridge. The noticeably inferior people on the other hand, uglier looking, worse dress sense, worse spoken, were in Operations or Tech, at unis such as Southampton. I met a lot of people tonight and there were rarely any anomalies to this observation.
Add your comment »Trader, Capital Markets, Fri 22 Jun 07
If Soton is not on the radar than why Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch target Soton for FO, MO and BO positions?
Don't say stupid things like stopping cries of discrimination, turn up to a careers fair but hire grads for BO, etc. Oxbridge people have massive advantages because their parents are rich so they can go to public school, build up contacts, etc. Being clever is not an advantage since unis like Nottingham, Soton and other top ones have near enough the same levels of intelligence. Actually Soton is catching up very very fast.
Boycie, Investment Banking, Fri 22 Jun 07
That's because of more contacts. Not by being more superior.
'40% are ethnic minorities in IB' is inaccurate. Some must be taking into account of non-Brits, not non-whites. Taking into account of just non-whites, this figure is only 10% of 40%.
Mike, Trading, Sun 24 Jun 07
So true. IBs are taking other capable students fromplaces like Soton, Cass, Bath seriously.
Boycie, Investment Banking, Sat 23 Jun 07
Diversity is not just about Oxbridge and being white only. This statement implies you're a racist. Don't try to explain Equal Opportunities. You implied that being black, for example, affects one's performance. Shame on you.
Hmmm. another misconception of Soton.
Difference to get into Oxbridge and LSE, for example is only a one grade in one A level so Oxbridge people are not better than LSE except on the scale of cleverness on average.
'Top tier banks are finally accepting more and more non-oxbridge students as they have realised that there is a bias in the education system.' - good point
Some top tier banks are realising the excellent calibre of Soton students. There will be more. Hence, one can say that Soton is catching up with Oxbridge.
If I was a recuiter and see an arrogant person, whether from Oxbridge or other uni, they would be rejected.
At the end of the day, being in a top uni (like the ones in the Russell Group) helps but you need to work hard, have lots of contacts and add more, have a packed CV and a right attitude.
A Morgan Stanley recuiter told me that she came across Soton grads in FO and BO but not as many as some of the other top unis.
p.s. - Soton is a target school for some IBs
Same rules apply to get in (not about Oxbridge and some other crap) whether you're intern or joless this summer:
Work hard
Be proactive
Use initiative
Good background (Oxbridge does not count totally, only 1% of the time
Packed CV)
Work experience
Right attitude
This whole about Oxbridge blah blah blah is boring. Oxbridge people are not superior. They're average joes in terms of looks, class and almost everything else. Foreigners and British ethnic minorities are.
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