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Please, give out some real-life internship advice and stop this 'you won't get in if you're not from a target school'.  Read all comments »

Only 50% to 60% of people who complete an investment bank's summer internship are offered a full-time graduate job. How can you ensure you're one of them?

Here's some advice from graduate recruiters and interns who made the grade.

Identify where the jobs are. Not every desk or team that takes on an intern will have a vacancy for a full time graduate recruit, warns Philip Stadniczenk, a former physics student at St. Anne's College, Oxford, who interned two summers ago in the equity research department of JPMorgan. "Whether you receive an offer depends upon whether the desk you work on has any openings," he says. "If they don't, talk to the graduate recruiters and ask to be moved on, or ask them to recommend you to another desk that does have a vacancy."

Be prepared to work long and hard. Internships are intended as a realistic introduction to the world of banking, so don't expect to rock in at 9.30am each morning and leave at 5.30pm each afternoon. "I arrived at 6am every morning," says Stadniczenk. "On a good day I'd go home between 6pm and 7pm. But if required I'd stay until 10pm."

Be innovative. At JPMorgan, Stadniczenk says he came up with a way of predicting shipments of PCs in his spare time. "I drew on my physics modelling background and developed a new kind of model," he says. "It was very useful – I got to meet more people in the firm than I would otherwise, and was given more responsibility as a result. You need to show that you can add value and do things that other interns can't".

Put yourself about. "You need to build an understanding of how everything links in and works together," says Satheesh Nadarajah, who works in institutional client sales at Deutsche Bank and is a former student of economics at Cambridge University. He says the best way of doing this is to ensure you work on different desks during the internship. "I started in pan-European equity sales, and then moved to sit with the sales traders, the research guys and the people who ran hedge fund services." This strategy offers the additional advantage of building a broad network of contacts across the bank, one of whom may be in a position to offer you a full time job.

Learn from people around you. It's no good spending the internship in a bubble. Most of what you learn will come from conversations with the people around you. "At the end of the internship you'll be tested on what you've learned during the ten weeks," warns Deutsche Bank's Satheesh. "You might think you know the answers just because you've read a particular book or mastered a particular model, but there's no substitute for the kind of knowledge that comes from talking to people with experience of actually doing the job." The head of graduate recruitment at one European bank says it will help to make a note of what you're told: "It may seem anal, but it's worth it," she says.

Find people you like ...and then cultivate the relationship. "Look for people that have the same way of thinking as you," advises a former derivatives trader with Morgan Stanley who studied finance and management at HEC in France. "Do your best to build relationships. Make friends with the people you're working with during the internship, and then keep in touch: if you move onto another desk, send them an email or call to find out what's going on."

Be persistent. "I had to put together a report for the weekly bulletin" says Ingrid Hammond, a former maths student at Cambridge University who interned two years ago with BNP Paribas. "I sent out an email to all the regional teams asking for them to send in what they had been working on, but very few of them immediately came back to me," she recalls. "In that situation you need the confidence to go up to the desks and ask for people to help, rather than just sitting in your seat and hoping for the best."

Be enthusiastic. "It's all about attitude," says the graduate recruiter. "A lot of what you will be doing is not rocket science. What will distinguish you is a can-do approach and a willingness to make that extra effort." It's no good thinking that just because you're a student from a top university, you're above fetching the coffees, she warns. Wherever you work, she says you could even turn the coffee-run to your advantage. "Its called currencies of exchange – you might want to offer to fetch the coffees in return for a chat about what happened with a particular trade that morning."

Take the initiative. "During the internship, you'll have a lot of freedom to find something you're interested in and then work on it," says Olanrewaju Fatimilehin, a debt capital markets banker at Goldman Sachs and former student of chemical engineering at Imperial College London. "I was interested in structured finance, so asked if I could help in that area. I then worked on an investor presentation for a deal the structured finance team was closing at the time."

COMMENTS

Anon, Information Technology,  Wed 27 Jun 07

Front office roles aren’t the only worthwhile ones in financial services...

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Craig,  Wed 27 Jun 07

More often than not, FO roles are the most worthwhile!

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Trader, Capital Markets,  Wed 27 Jun 07

I disagree with the notion that if you arent from a target school you wont get in. If you arent from a target school and have a good solid MSc from a target school or even a good substitute with a distinction or something you have every chance of getting in.




The target school and front office debate only extends to the summer and full time analyst programmes however if you didnt go to a good school you can take the temp role. I know a lot of people who started off as temps in the back office and worked their way up to the front office. As for advice for anyone who is currently interning, just make as many contacts as you can and you will achieve the desired results. I for myself interned in operations and managed to get an offer in sales and trading by the end of it by making very good contacts at the desk I wanted to so there...

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Elena, Investment Consulting,  Wed 27 Jun 07

HI, I am currently doing an internship with an investment firm based in teh City. I would have to agree that given your comments here, the reallity tends towards the Oxbridge community dominating most of teh positions in the banks. However, I think that if one really wants to get there FO, nobody can stop you from achieveing that. yes, it will be a lot harder, but it is not impossible. Sometimes you just have to stay focused and be concentrated on your goal. Believe in yourself and good things will happen.




Good luck to all of you!

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Saz, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 28 Jun 07

Hi peeps!!I don't know why you guys are arguing about which unis people come from!!!




To be honest with you it really doesn't matter to the employers from where you come from. Having done 2 internships at top tier investment banks and having worked with students from Oxbridge, Imperial and Warwick so called top 5 unis are nothing special. The trends are changing there is big influx of students from other european countries and from India specially.




UBS runs a special internship program for students from India in London office, Merrill, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan and Goldmans all started this trend. So dont be surprised to see the number of students coming from India increasing  simply because the IBs Recruiters and Top Management feel that the Students coming from Indian university are more talented and skillful.

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Trader, Capital Markets,  Fri 29 Jun 07

Saz, Give me a break please- I dont know about UBS,Merril or JP but MS and GS dont have any such indian programme. The students from India need work-permits and their work needs to be checked about 3 times before it can really be processed, trust me I've been working in the industry for two years now so please. Even though indian students may be good academically they are not even on the same planet in terms of exposure and quite frankly are very book smart. Enjoy

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Anonymous,  Mon 02 Jul 07

Dear Mr. Trader,




Your geenralisation seems to have engulfed a vast majority of Indians in UK. Your two years of experience, I guess, has really been enriching for you to come to such a realisation. You talk with such conviction that you know the market and the psychology of people at the back of your hand. With this kind of mindset, I wish you good luck for your future.

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Asian, Student,  Mon 02 Jul 07

He meant Indians from India, and I'm inclined to agree with the 'book-smarts' comment. Before you say anything, I'm of Punjabi descent; and 'Indians' in the UK are usually either British or have grown up in a European education system (mostly A levels and IB) in former colonies other than India (usually East Africa) and can identify better with local cultural and social aspects of City life.

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Eric, Research,  Wed 04 Jul 07

I totaly agree with top university things.
But even worse, I am International Student and dont have any administration experience. It is really dificult to find voluntary job though.

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Eric, Student, Investment Banking / M & A,  Wed 04 Jul 07

Guys I am international student studying in london,  I have no information how to get internship. Please help me if you have any information.

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