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Please, give out some real-life internship advice and stop this 'you won't get in if you're not from a target school'.  Read all comments »

Only 50% to 60% of people who complete an investment bank's summer internship are offered a full-time graduate job. How can you ensure you're one of them?

Here's some advice from graduate recruiters and interns who made the grade.

Identify where the jobs are. Not every desk or team that takes on an intern will have a vacancy for a full time graduate recruit, warns Philip Stadniczenk, a former physics student at St. Anne's College, Oxford, who interned two summers ago in the equity research department of JPMorgan. "Whether you receive an offer depends upon whether the desk you work on has any openings," he says. "If they don't, talk to the graduate recruiters and ask to be moved on, or ask them to recommend you to another desk that does have a vacancy."

Be prepared to work long and hard. Internships are intended as a realistic introduction to the world of banking, so don't expect to rock in at 9.30am each morning and leave at 5.30pm each afternoon. "I arrived at 6am every morning," says Stadniczenk. "On a good day I'd go home between 6pm and 7pm. But if required I'd stay until 10pm."

Be innovative. At JPMorgan, Stadniczenk says he came up with a way of predicting shipments of PCs in his spare time. "I drew on my physics modelling background and developed a new kind of model," he says. "It was very useful – I got to meet more people in the firm than I would otherwise, and was given more responsibility as a result. You need to show that you can add value and do things that other interns can't".

Put yourself about. "You need to build an understanding of how everything links in and works together," says Satheesh Nadarajah, who works in institutional client sales at Deutsche Bank and is a former student of economics at Cambridge University. He says the best way of doing this is to ensure you work on different desks during the internship. "I started in pan-European equity sales, and then moved to sit with the sales traders, the research guys and the people who ran hedge fund services." This strategy offers the additional advantage of building a broad network of contacts across the bank, one of whom may be in a position to offer you a full time job.

Learn from people around you. It's no good spending the internship in a bubble. Most of what you learn will come from conversations with the people around you. "At the end of the internship you'll be tested on what you've learned during the ten weeks," warns Deutsche Bank's Satheesh. "You might think you know the answers just because you've read a particular book or mastered a particular model, but there's no substitute for the kind of knowledge that comes from talking to people with experience of actually doing the job." The head of graduate recruitment at one European bank says it will help to make a note of what you're told: "It may seem anal, but it's worth it," she says.

Find people you like ...and then cultivate the relationship. "Look for people that have the same way of thinking as you," advises a former derivatives trader with Morgan Stanley who studied finance and management at HEC in France. "Do your best to build relationships. Make friends with the people you're working with during the internship, and then keep in touch: if you move onto another desk, send them an email or call to find out what's going on."

Be persistent. "I had to put together a report for the weekly bulletin" says Ingrid Hammond, a former maths student at Cambridge University who interned two years ago with BNP Paribas. "I sent out an email to all the regional teams asking for them to send in what they had been working on, but very few of them immediately came back to me," she recalls. "In that situation you need the confidence to go up to the desks and ask for people to help, rather than just sitting in your seat and hoping for the best."

Be enthusiastic. "It's all about attitude," says the graduate recruiter. "A lot of what you will be doing is not rocket science. What will distinguish you is a can-do approach and a willingness to make that extra effort." It's no good thinking that just because you're a student from a top university, you're above fetching the coffees, she warns. Wherever you work, she says you could even turn the coffee-run to your advantage. "Its called currencies of exchange – you might want to offer to fetch the coffees in return for a chat about what happened with a particular trade that morning."

Take the initiative. "During the internship, you'll have a lot of freedom to find something you're interested in and then work on it," says Olanrewaju Fatimilehin, a debt capital markets banker at Goldman Sachs and former student of chemical engineering at Imperial College London. "I was interested in structured finance, so asked if I could help in that area. I then worked on an investor presentation for a deal the structured finance team was closing at the time."

COMMENTS

Damo, Global Custody,  Thu 05 Jul 07

Work hard, be nice to people, shave every other day. Oxbridge will get you in the door but after that its all up to you. And don't freak out if you're not a trader at GS as most people are'nt.

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I. Yang, Student,  Fri 06 Jul 07

well its true most of the universities named are high class uni and tend to make one feel that the fact he or she did not graduate from a 1st class uni can't have a job in a reputed financial institution. But for me the most important thing was to take into consideration the advice given, such as building relationships etc

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Trader, Capital Markets,  Sat 07 Jul 07

Anonymous- First of all I never implied that students from India are dumb or that some banks have programmes that facilitate these guys. I was talking about the people who come from Indian Universities again as they are smart they dont have the same international exposure like an indian or pakistani studying here- there is a world of a difference.




In terms of getting an offer- just work hard, get in before your manager and leave after him, get involved with sports so you get to meet MD's, ED's and VP's, go out of your way at times to listen to people and facilitate their demands-yes demands.

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Sasuke!, Debt / Fixed Income,  Tue 24 Jul 07

I am interning at a BB at the moment and i can confidently say that it is dominated by top tier university students. i myself am going to LSE and whilst a larger proportion are going to LSE there is a few Warwick, etc along with the normal Oxbridge. also when you guys say Soton are you talking about South Hampton :S

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Determined!, Student,  Mon 30 Jul 07

l find your arguement, Mr Cambridge Intern extremely insulting to the many students who despite not being born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and using mummy and daddy's money to secure priviledged positions at certain univerities, work hard, and have aspirations of succeeding in their chosen career field mine being in investment banking! l believe it is such individuals who these top tier banks, despite coming from less priviledged backgrounds need to realise have the determination and resilience to succeed... an intrinsic quality that a spoon fed cambridge graduate like your self has no knowledge of.

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Capitanfuture, Information Technology,  Fri 03 Aug 07

Last year I did a summer internship in the Tech department with Citi and they later offered me a fulltime grad position. I declined the first offer that they gave me as I was not keen on the department that I would have joined. They later offered me what I was really after and I accepted straightaway.



I have studied Software Engineering in an ex-Polytechnic, Liverpool JMU, and during my placement the majority, if not all of the other grads, came from Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick and so on. I think it’s natural that top employers want to recruit students from top Unis and I don’t find anything wrong with that. I also know that if a student has a very interesting CV, aside from marks and grades, top ibanks are very interested in hearing from you.



I am slightly older that the usual graduates and I have worked for a couple of years whilst studying… I also did a very good placement year with a top IT firm and I had very good marks at Uni… In my case a combination of all these aspects, and naturally a good performance during the internship, helped me to secure a place in Citi’s grad program. So whilst studying in a top Uni surely helps it’s not everything!!

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Anon,  Tue 07 Aug 07

Though a good uni may get you in the door, the rogorous interview process will really sort out those worthy of good jobs.

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George, Derivatives,  Tue 07 Aug 07

Top 20 uni or go home!

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Anxious, Consultancy,  Wed 22 Aug 07

What about Sheffield UNi?????? I have read in some articles that Sheffield is on the target list ....is this true?? I have MENG from Sheffield and 4 A's at A Level in math, phys, chem, adv maths. I chose Sheffield over iMperial as Sheff was no.1 for my course. Anyway so whats the verdic on Sheffield combined with my profile???

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Kerryn, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 27 Sep 07

Hi! I am very new to IB, just wld like to know who are the top 5 banks as mentioned aboved? Thanks!

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