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I think that the recruitment models which large Corporates and Investment Banks use are fundamentally flawed. At a lower level you have HR people with few qualifications, often showing symptoms of megalomania, screening applications.  Read all comments »

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Been turned down by a bank and don’t know why? Don’t be afraid to ask for feedback.

When can you expect feedback?

Everyone will give feedback to candidates rejected after second interview/assessment centre, but most say it’s not policy to offer it to candidates rejected earlier in the process. The exception was JPMorgan which said it would offer feedback to anyone who had interviewed at the bank.

Some offer feedback unsolicited. Others expect candidates to ask for it. In all cases, feedback is given over the phone by the graduate recruiter for the relevant division – who may or may not have been one of the interviewers.

How can I find out why I was rejected early in the process?

Officially most employers say you can’t, but unofficially, you might get lucky.

One employer says it doesn’t offer feedback for people rejected after a first interview because it would be unfair (although it’s not entirely clear why). Others say variously: “It depends who’s asking” and “If someone gives us a call and really wants feedback, we wouldn’t say no,” and “We do have instances where people email us after first interviews and we would then try to give it to them.”

Very few students actually ask for feedback at this stage, so there’s no harm in trying. Rothschild estimates that only about 10-20% of first round rejects ask. More surprisingly still, BarCap says only half of its second round rejects take up the offer of feedback – a missed opportunity, if ever there was one.

What’s the most common reason why people are rejected after an interview?

Three of the four employers we asked gave the same answer: insufficient preparation.

“Not having a good enough understanding of what they are applying for, how they may be suited to it, and what they would be doing day to day in their first year,” explains Derek Walker, head of campus recruitment at Barclays Capital.

“Not doing their homework. Having no idea what differentiates us from other employers,” says Raphaelle Mathias, an assistant director in investment banking responsible for graduate and intern recruitment at Rothschild.

“Not being prepared. Not being able to demonstrate competencies or an awareness of the business,” says Nathalie McDermid, graduate recruitment manager at Ernst & Young.

And if you do elicit feedback?

You may hear some uncomfortable truths, but that’s no reason for glossing over them.

“Listen to what the recruiter is letting you know. Use that information to take you forward in any other interviews you have, because most employers have similar processes,” says McDermid.

“Interviewing is not a perfect science but in 95% of cases we will be saying something that has been said about that person before by a teacher, tutor, colleague or friend. Listen, take note and sleep on it. Then talk it over with someone you trust,” advises BarCap's Walker.

Can you reapply after being rejected?

Officially, the answer is yes.

“It’s not uncommon for people to come back the following year and sometimes they are successful. People can change quite a lot over that time,” says Walker.

COMMENTS

Peter Piper, Student,  Fri 04 Apr 08

I find it really difficult to get feedback from employers - as they never really give u enough information as to why you were not successful. I have found in the past their answers to be very vague.

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Anon, Derivatives,  Fri 04 Apr 08

Usually its because you don't have a 'WOW' factor. Replay your interviews, was there any point where the interviewer said "Good", "You sound enthusiastic","Impressive" etc etc If they didn't then that means you did not 'WOW' them, hence will not get the job.

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Hannah, Equities,  Sat 05 Apr 08

They may hardly remember how you performed that day...

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Portfolio Manager, Equities,  Sat 05 Apr 08

"Officially, the answer is yes."......??? What is that suppose to mean? Unofficially, is that a no or a yes?

On all application form there is a box of "Have you applied to us previously?". Does that mean candidates who has been turned down the previously tick the "No" as "unofficially" they will say no to anyone who has applied but was not successful the year before?

As for feedbacks. Let's just say they ALWAYS say they will give it to you. But UNLESS you were successful they will just NOT answer to your email or phone call and tell you what went wrong.

This is because for interview wise it is all very subjective and a candidate is hired based on whether the interviewers "like" the candidate. So when it comes to rejection they have nothing much to say except "we didn't like you." but then of course this is kind of difficult to say isn't it?

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Anonymous,  Sun 06 Apr 08

i think all of you are right. Once you have been rejected, they have millions of reasons to say why you have been unsuccessful.

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Moona Fayed, Student,  Sun 06 Apr 08

I agree it is so difficult to get interviewers to give you constructive feedback. Do any recruiters have any tips on the best way to approach them for feedback.  If we dont get in it is very disappointing as we have spent a long time preparing.  We therefore need to know how we can improve and succeed in the next interview. So students or recruiters what can we do to get proper feedback? Is it best that we call or email you? How long should we wait to ask for feedback?

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anon, Equities,  Mon 07 Apr 08

When applying for a second time and asked if you have applied before ,yes/no, and for a reason why unsuccessful... what would be the best answer to give? I think this is the hardest question to answer on any application.

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Anonymous,  Mon 07 Apr 08

I was once told that I was unlucky which was why I didn't get the job.

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Anonymous,  Tue 08 Apr 08

I think that the recruitment models which large Corporates and Investment Banks use are fundamentally flawed. 
At a lower level you have HR people with few qualifications, often showing symptoms of megalomania, screening applications.  They have strict guidelines to follow and have little imagination or empathy as a result for the candidates they screen/interview, they are often rude, inappropriately judgemental and life ignorant.  This obviously limits the quality of candidate Banks and Corporates will ultimately employ and as a result we are now seeing 'clones' with little or no charisma or life skills as a majority within our supposedly excellent institutions. 
Let us take the example of the Psychological tests, inc. numeracy and verbal reasoning, tests amongst others.  These tests are set by PhDs in Occupational Psychology, yet low level HR people within our institutions are assessing these tests and making judgements based upon their poor analyses.  There is little or no consistency in this process.  Psychologists set the tests, psychologists should analyse the results.  I feel that there MUST be a massive overhaul within these recruitment processes, including wrt feedback

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Anonymous, Commodities,  Wed 09 Apr 08

"Anonymous,  Tue 08 Apr 08" your comment has to be one of the most accurate assesments of what Financial Services as a whole are coming to. It's true everyone is a clone of one another, and HR are often given guidelines but they see these as definite requirements, thus there in lies the problem so you hit the nail on the head. What I will say is that there are huge firms out there (I currently work for one), where personality is prized, however I had no contact with HR (as my firm see them as a needless expense and employ very few) during the interview process and that is why i believe I got hired.

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