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Fancy yourself as a trading whiz? Proprietary trading houses offer an alternative entry point. It’s not for everybody though. You have to be extremely good, extremely motivated and extremely resilient. The working culture is also normally more ‘informal’ (be prepared for lots of blokes) and flexible than in a bank.

What is it?

In a nutshell, it is trading with the company’s own money, rather than with clients’ money. Prop trading houses don’t need FSA regulation because they are only risking their own cash.

The upside

Unlike investment banks, prop trading houses don’t do the ‘milk round’ so jobs are available all year round. They don’t always insist upon immaculate academic credentials, either – Essex-based Elocal Traders said it doesn’t look at academic achievement at all.

And long term, the financial rewards are potentially huge – top traders make hundreds of thousands a year.

The downside

Don’t expect a hefty starting salary. £1,000 a month was mentioned by both Met Traders and TCA Futures. Others offer no basic pay at all. Whatever the set-up, the bulk of pay comes from a share of the profits you make by trading. This could start at 50% and go up as you become more successful.

“We’d expect our traders to be making at least £10k a month,” says Steven Davies, director at TCA, “but not straight away. It takes time to get there.”

“Of our 42 traders, maybe 35% are elite traders, making six figures plus, 40% are the middle guys and 25% are in the nursery,” says Danny Kessler, MD of Met Traders.

The training

Training varies. There may be some classroom training, some time trading on simulators and some mentoring from an experienced trader. Mentoring is best. All the houses we spoke to said they start people trading for real very quickly – but in small lots. As trainees become more successful they are allowed to trade higher amounts.

The skills

There are two sides to being a successful prop trader – one is the mental and numerical agility to grasp trading, the other is the right kind of character and personality.

Met Traders and TCA both said they favour graduates, generally with a maths or science background and good A levels. In most places you can expect to have to take a numeracy test.

As for personality, “You’ve got to be able to deal with losses and wins without becoming fixated,” says Joseph King, head of operations at Elocal. “You’ve got to have self-belief and relish a genuine meritocracy,” says Kessler. “Someone who wants to work for a bank may think they want a meritocracy, but actually there’s a comfort factor in working at a bank and sharing the benefits of a desk.”

“We look for people who strive to do things, who’ve had a knock and bounced back,” says Davies.

All three added that successful sportspeople often make good traders – because of the competitiveness.

What about the girls?

There are very few women prop traders. Elocal and Met Traders said they have no(!) women at present on their trading floors.

“In 20 years in this business the number of women I’ve come across is few and far between,” says King. “It could be the environment which is quite aggressive and testosterone-fuelled.”

“We actively try to recruit women but with limited success to date. Walking into a very male-dominated environment is not very attractive for many women,” says Kessler.

TCA currently has “about five” women on its trading floor amid 30 men. “Women are either rubbish or brilliant at it,” says Davies. But, he adds, “The women who apply to us have often thought carefully about what is involved and what their strengths are, whereas every chap dreams of being a trader and sitting at his desk reading GQ.”

What will it lead to?

Very few stay on the trading floor beyond 40. The most successful prop traders end up setting up their own businesses.

Moving into the middle or back office of a bank is also not uncommon.

Reality check

Competition is tough – Met Traders said it gets about 1,000 CVs a month – and takes on a couple of people. TCA said it gets about 600 applicants in each recruiting round, and takes on batches of eight on a quarterly basis. Elocal recently hired 12 people from a batch of 50 applicants.

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COMMENTS

E, Derivatives,  Wed 14 May 08

Goodwin, Information Technology,
1)If you want to be a trader at a buy-side firm (ie hedge fund) a MBA won't be of much help. An MSc in finance might. Being very profitable during your two years as a prop trader is a must.
2)If you are looking to do something else in a buy-side firm, then a MBA will probably help. Having been a prop trader may also help.

shakti, Student,
1)If you looking to trade equities, then you need to get into an IB. Prop firms in London usually only trade futures.
2)If you want to be a stock broker then apply to firms below. You need to be able to speak english well.
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/pricesnews/investorcentre/invtools/broker/

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Johnson, Trading,  Sat 24 May 08

im at a prop firm, been there for about 3 yrs and ill sum it by saying that when i started i was on no money and working like a lunatic trying to learn the markets.

Had some ups and lots of downs but it did turn and now i make more money than most if not all my IB friends (and i work 4 or 5 hrs a day). Having said that ive met lots of ppl for whom it didnt work and they have gone on to a variety of roles, but not excluding front office roles at top tier banks, you just have to give things a try if you believe in yourself. I guess for some of these ppl, their life would have been better if they hadnt tried it, but at least they went for it - if this had worked out for them then they would be money and time rich, which truly is a luxury.

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apostolouc,  Thu 26 Jun 08

Never, never pay for training. This is a con. Remember that about 80% of prop traders fail very quickly (and another 15% a bit more slowly), if you've paid for all this training you'd be mad.  If a firm really wants to back you, they'd pay everything. If you haven't got into a big well-known bank, try some smaller firms, but the best way to find them is through a recruitment firm .

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mohit, still searching......., Student,  Thu 17 Jul 08

The cardinal question why a lot of people in here considering a transition from prop. trading firm to an I bank?.....Well if you are one of them, clearly prop. trading is not meant for you.

Also, starting as prop. trader would/ wouldn't ruin your career is purely a function of how much money you made while trading. If you made a lot the world including I banks would love you and if you failed, you know the consequences.

Ultimate Paradox- only those who failed at trading may consider moving on to I banking, in a way that failure would spoil your career and those who are minting money trading wouldn't at all think of the shift.

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