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Most of my friends went into teaching, charity, consultancy, PR, journalism etc, turned off banking by the perception of long hours et al. 4 years on, I certainly made the right choice, my quality of life is by far superior to my peers. My children will go to £24k/yr boarding schools, theirs will be sent to state grammars, giving them a significant disadvantage for networking.  Read all comments »

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Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.

King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.

According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”

Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.

“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.

“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”

Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.

However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”

Are you overpaid? Should bonuses be reformed? Have your say below.

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long+short of it, Trading,  Tue 03 Jun 08

this makes for some very interesting reading indeed. being a work-shy trader, i have actually read all 110 previous comments. it's been, at times, qui te gripping.

Henry - sounds like an unsavoury chap, though much of what he says is toungue in cheek (either that or i'm surprised that he works for a top bank - he wouldn't last). That said, most of what he cites (boasts)re comp is fair comment, albeit top end for mid-junior tradess. He never says what asset class he trades in either, and this makes a big difference.

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Charlotte, Student,  Fri 06 Jun 08

Henry,

Why are you so proud of sending your children to network at Westminster or Eton? So they may live their lives in a square mile for 10 or more years broken up with one 5* hotel after the other.........champagne tastes the same no matter which city you are in.............i'm sure whilst they're getting muddy playing polo you'll enjoy thinking how they can have everything you're aspiring to be...........it seems a shame they won't be able to decide for themselves what is worth working hard for.

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Ano, Investment Banking / M & A,  Thu 12 Jun 08

Henry is a very sad human being, I know that sounds rich coming from someone within IBD. However in reality we are all driven in the city by money, but not to the extent at which we are soul-less or so arrogant that we consider all non-banking workers as beneath us. Money is great, but having a good life is better... (Money does not always = a good life). You will perhaps realise this Henry when your children resent you for buying them.

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Gabrielle, Investor Relations / PR,  Fri 13 Jun 08

I think Principal makes a good point - I've found that (after a certain level at which my basic needs were met) my salary level did not really affect happiness. Whatever you can afford becomes 'normal' (whether this is tap water or champagne) and the more you earn, the more you have to spend to get a thrill. I grew up poor and remember having a real sense of appreciation for the rare treats we got - I eat out a lot now, fly off for holidays etc and don't really feel I appreciate it as much because it has become 'normal'.

The one exception to all of this is that I would absolutely love to be able to buy a house. With this one exception (and I'm sure a career in investment banking would have helped enormously with this one) I am happy as I am - and would still be happy even if I were on less money. Happiness is not about money, and it is the most important thing.

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A loser (aka a man who's not like Henry), Derivatives,  Fri 13 Jun 08

So Henry someone " taught me the skills to differentiate myself from peers and the ambition/drive to be a true success. The "losers" are the people my age earning less than £30k in a job they don't like after not making the most of the opportunities that came their way. Once again, my standard of life, happiness, satisfaction and contentment is easily superior to 99% of my peer group."

Ahahahah I love that guy! He really sounds like those books which teach you "How to become successful in life in 10 lessons" or "From success to greatness in 2 weeks".

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PrivateBanker, Private Banking / Wealth Management,  Fri 13 Jun 08

For principal : don't worry, guys like Henry are a minority. People are quite cool and down to earth on average but of course there are some black sheets. What you have to understand is that people over-arrogant like hime were like that before they came to the City and they would have been the same notwithstanding the industry they work in.

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Mark, Student,  Wed 18 Jun 08

I am a student interested in trading and I don't really care about the figures boasted by Henry. What annoys me more is the fact that he calls everybody else than him or his peers (if there are) total losers. He is actually depending everyday on dozens of "losers" to live while they don't really need him...

This article shows that some great grads that could have been very useful in areas like medicine are attracted by the City and its bonuses. I don't blame them for choosing such a profitable track. But I do blame them if they criticize all the people that make less than them !

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spot n forward, Trading,  Wed 18 Jun 08

i don't exactly disagree with what you're saying, but if you're not interested in the "figures", then i might suggest that a trading (or indeed any City) career is not for you.

this isn't for the weak or faint-hearted; like it or not, it's ALL about figures!

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Anonymous,  Mon 30 Jun 08

Wow, how far up his own arse is Henry?! Send my kids to 24k/yr boarding schools. You probably won't ever have kids and even if you do it will probably be with some golddigger who will take all your money anyway plus you'll never see your kids and they won't respect you. You are a total joke. Why don't you use your money in a more useful way. Hell Warren Buffet is one of the richest guys in the world yet he lives off £50k a year and gives the rest away. You aren't even a fraction of the man's finger.

Either that or you're just having a laugh.

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R,  Thu 10 Jul 08

Although Henry's comments seem pretty immature I still would like to have a lifestlye like that,

I am 21 and have just graduated from Nottingham with a 2.1, the problem is that already at this young age, I have probably missed the boat having been unsuccessful at gaining an internship last year. I wish I could have a lifestyle in which I could easily provide for my family but now it's just got a lot harder...so it seems I have to apply for other jobs which are not IB

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