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Most of my friends went into teaching, charity, consultancy, PR, journalism etc, turned off banking by the perception of long hours et al. 4 years on, I certainly made the right choice, my quality of life is by far superior to my peers. My children will go to £24k/yr boarding schools, theirs will be sent to state grammars, giving them a significant disadvantage for networking.  Read all comments »

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Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.

King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.

According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”

Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.

“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.

“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”

Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.

However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”

Are you overpaid? Should bonuses be reformed? Have your say below.

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Sales guy, Capital Markets,  Thu 01 May 08

I've enjoyed this email trail... but must add one thing. Henry - I think your a liar!! I graduated in 2005 and went straight into Global Markets at a top US IB in London. Your one year ahead of me (and one bonus ahead as such)... there is no way that as a analyst and now associate you have 'paid off nearly £1.2m' mortgage on your own, or travel everywhere first class (PA). Your a joker.
I'm in Sales (so admit total comp is probably a little less than trading), but still...
Also - the other points about quality of life & job satisfaction are true... Wish I could do something else but need the money (not from a wealthy family)... and do want to live in a nice house and send kids to good school.

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 02 May 08

Hi Sales guy, no I have paid off the majority of my £1.2m mortgage already. I didn't say I've paid off nearly £1.2m, I said paid the majority of a £1.2m mortgage. Though I didn't mention though my girlfriend (a lawyer) also contributes (not a huge amount compared to moi).

2004 - £37k base, £12k bonus (winter stub), gf studying law.
2005 - £45k base, £54k bonus, gf £33k
2006 - £57k base (promoted to Associate), £114k bonus, gf £38k
2007 - £63k base, £164k bonus, gf £57k (qualified solicitor)
2008 - £82k base (promoted to VP), bonus to be paid at Xmas, gf £65k

Also made quite a bit of money at uni through internships, my outgoing costs are quite low (brokers pay for all my dinners and socialising), so overall we (predominantly I!) have paid over £600k off the mortgage already.

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Big Swinger, Capital Markets,  Fri 02 May 08

A fresh graduate vs over 50K pounds annual package - very few people can indeed say no to it.  Imagine a newly graduated engineering student can only expect up to 20K with Vodafone, there is no doubt he will turn to the city for that 50K, let alone the much quicker pay rise in the city.

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anon, Derivatives,  Fri 02 May 08

I agree with sales guy - Henry's compensation boasts don't ring quite true and i am on the trading side. Getting enough time to play around on teh internet given you're vp level is an inconsistency.
Saying this though, as appallingly arrogant Henry sounds - he isn't far off!
Workwise, and money aside, banking, in particular the markets side (IB looks pretty dull from where i stand and too many people assume that's whta we all do!) is very challenging.  Lots of interesting problems to solve quantitative and qualitative.  Working for a corporate is slow and repetitive. You just do not have that as a banker on trading, sales and quant (combined with decent-ish hours). "Squandering" their life away is just not true.
Mervyn King HIMSELF has never been an investment banker ('72-'91 - academia, '91-today - BoE) so has no clue whatsoever about the day to day work in a IB.
IBs are still the reserve for the best grads - the vast majority of grads do not work in IB.
Maybe the government should start improving eductaion of the masses if they are deemed not talented enough by it's #1 central banker.

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anon, Derivatives,  Fri 02 May 08

ahh ok - looks resonable

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 02 May 08

"Henry's compensation boasts don't ring quite true and i am on the trading side"

Anon, Derivs - the numbers I posted above are completely accurate and depict well the progress of a top performer at a Bulge Bracket. I frequently have peers, even in trading, who don't believe me, perhaps because they haven't produced the alpha I have. And as a trader, you should know that we can spend some time looking at eFinancialCareers on one screen, and are not glued to Reuters for the whole working day.

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spot n forward, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 02 May 08

why is everyone calling Henry a liar? i started in City in 2003, and am not too far behind Henry in comp terms (i am sales/structuring at a tier one IB). some of the stuff that has been written, aimed at Henry, is just pure sour grapes. i mean that line asking (telling?) him to "grow up",  is about as pathetic as anything i've ever read. the irony! the fact of the matter is that everyone KNOWS that compensation in I-Banking jobs is way, way out of line with the rest of the market, especially when compared to other "professions" employing similar people, often with very similar levels of qualifications (law, accountancy, consulting, medicine, teaching, mgmt roles at listed corporates etc). one could argue that it is mere chance that some are lucky enough to land in an IB job that is paying £100k+ per year (average for years 1-3) rather than £40k. and i can understand an element of resentment in this respect. but to attempt to dress this up as some sort of moral issue is laughable.

ps come on Boris indeed.
pps risk is back on, the markets are bouncing back, and i think that (for some) Jan 2009 may not be as bad as the white press are making out...!

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anon, Derivatives,  Fri 02 May 08

henry - there is just a big delay between writing teh post and the posting - i wrote that based on the paying off the large mortgage comments earlier - not in response to the numbers above (that's why i sent an acknowledgemnt after - being on low 6 figures is perfectly reasonable)

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 02 May 08

Thx spot n forward, your comments are sensible and much appreciated!

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PE, Student,  Fri 02 May 08

I can't tell how much enjoyment I have had watching the great and the good attempt to justify their positions to the beleaguered underbelly of society, whose membership may include myself in the future.  However, what some of these cunning linguists fail to recognise is that no one is interested in how much they earn by exploiting market asymmmetries and mispricings of securities.  What is more important is why they feel the need to vent their successes to the rest of the world.  How sad it is that you only goal and focus is increasing your wealth.  Is that what you've worked for?  Because, if it is, you lead a very empty life.  P.S.  Don't confuse brains with a bull market.  What we do in life echoes in eternity.  The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.

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