Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.
King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.
According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”
Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.
“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.
“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”
Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.
However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”
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MI - Different asset classes have entirely different working hours, there are plenty of us who can wake up at 7am or later.
LH - Age is irrelevant, in plenty of desks in Sales/Trading a grad is doing the same level of work as a senior, and if a meritocratic desk where they don't have artificial glass ceilings on client calibre / trade volumes, they have every potential to generate enormous revenues from day 1 (well, give them a few months to learn all the tricks).
Henry, stop trying to pass off your opinions as facts. You may believe that your life is superior to your peers but your peers may believe their lives are superior to yours using different measures. Just accept that it is only your opinion.
Also, what makes a banker better than an accountant? A lot of accountants are people who consciously choose not to go into banking because they don't want to work with people like you.
Michael, people like me, the highest calibre, best quality, talented, rounded, skilled, ambitious, driven graduates around?
Yes, exactly. The calibre of Big 4 graduates is drastically inferior to those in front office banking. You can get into PwC and Deloitte these days with a 2.1 from any university. Those grad schemes are brimful of antisocial losers who got rejected from investment banks, and have truly failed in life.
Sure Michael, enjoy your pathetic £26k starting salary mediocrity, inability to purchase massive property and take 1st class Virgin Atlantic to 5* hotels on tropical islands, and keep telling yourself that your life is somehow better than mine. Hilarious.
No, I don't mean the highest calibre, best quality, talented, rounded, skilled, ambitious, driven graduates around. I mean d*ckheads.
Add your comment »Michael, thx for the reasonable comment.
In fairness Henry makes some good points such as the fact that you can make more dough as a recent grad in his field than most any other and you can progress faster. He also deserves credit for stating boldly that he doesn't care about f***ing up other ppl to reach his goals as most people who do that won't admit it.
Where his story starts getting shaky is his working conditions. All the ppl I know in sales trading and research whine a great deal about having to clock in at 7:15, enduring crazy hours and working weekends. Henry here says this is a myth, which one of the best jokes I heard lately, so I had a belly laugh (thx Henry).
Basically H doesn't want to believe that people in other sectors can make the same money once they reach mid to senior-mgmt levels, while busting their asses half as much as he did in the uni and after it. That's OK--he will pick it up later.
The world does not consist of bank front office and Big 4 as H describes it. And there is something to what Mervyn says. Working on important projects is more satisfying then spending your life clicking transactions on a screen and then trembling how turn out.
MI, people in trading, sales and research have to work weekends you say? What? You realise the markets they work on are, erm, shut on weekends? Barely any salesperson or trader would have needed to come in on a weekend to do any work. Research analysts may have to work weekends occasionally, espesh if they need things out for Monday, but can do that from their laptop in a garden on the weekend.
As for working hours, you don't seem to understand that this depends on what product you're involved in and where. An equity sales-trader at JPMorgan gets in at 5.15am. A commodity salesperson at Deutsche or BarCap gets in at 8.30am.
If your friends are whining about having to work a 10-12 hour day (which absolutely flies by) then they're really not cut out for the job.
i don't know a single trader who has ever worked a weekend. or indeed past about 6pm.
(ok occasionally, you'll work beyond 6, but this is literally 2 to 3 times a year)
Henry, Spot--I don't know anyone in FX so I take your word on this. My friends (levels associate-ED) whine on working 14 hr days. And they don't just whine but also do them on a regular basis which is the sadder part.
Michael-don't get your opinion on the people working in this area wrong. I personally know a bunch of great guys in investment banking and some real jerks in corporate finance (come to think about it I know real jerks in almost any functional area).
George--if you are still hanging around--don't be hasty to discount your aspirations for a science career. It's perfectly OK to go and do something else for the cash for 10-15 years and then return to science. A lot of fine people have done that and still do.
I don't have anything more to add so bye folks--do post in other topics too :-)
MI - you're clearly a decent chap, and see a balanced argument. fair play to you. and agree on a change of career late in the day... nothing wrong with this, and something i fully intend on doing perhaps in 10y time!
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