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Most of my friends went into teaching, charity, consultancy, PR, journalism etc, turned off banking by the perception of long hours et al. 4 years on, I certainly made the right choice, my quality of life is by far superior to my peers. My children will go to £24k/yr boarding schools, theirs will be sent to state grammars, giving them a significant disadvantage for networking.  Read all comments »

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Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.

King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.

According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”

Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.

“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.

“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”

Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.

However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”

Are you overpaid? Should bonuses be reformed? Have your say below.

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VP, Commodities,  Thu 08 May 08

Sales and Trading is not for everyone. Its a tough world out there, and some fail, some succeed. Its a competitive environment second only to professional sports. Talent and skills need luck and opportunity. I've seen many come and go, some who failed to grasp the concepts, some who failed to grasp opportunities, and some through plain bad luck. The industry no doubt pays well, anyone who has even an itch should try it. The worst that can happen is that you will have worked in the most stressful and challenging environment you will ever know. What does not kill you makes you better, but in this job, for many of us, what you receive in money you pay for with your life (and hair, or hair colour)

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MI, Accounting,  Thu 08 May 08

Thx Spot :-)--'preciate it especially since your comments were among the most sensible in the thread (not a chap but equally interested in a good career so have been working in male dominated environments for the most part). Good luck with your transition later on I am sure it will turn out fine.

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John, Global Custody,  Fri 09 May 08

The banks are to blame for this surge because they present the notion that finance/economics can be learnt in a short while or whilst on the job.Many graduates of finance/Economics/Banking are being let down by employers who prefer to take on e.g a graduate of engineering/english all because of a higher grade on graduation.However they seem to forget that the finance graduates had earlier on in life set their focus and priorities right as oppossed to those allowing themselves to be drifted by the winds of money.Is it possible for an accounting graduate to take a mechanical engineer's job? Never..so lets set the records straight.

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 09 May 08

John, Global Custody - somewhat agree, though banks don't care so much about grade attained as prestige of the university. Without a shadow of a doubt I'd pick a Cambridge Theology or Philosophy student over an engineer from an inferior uni like Manchester, the former is much more likely to do well with client networking, schmoozing, entertainment. For the non-client roles fair enough.

To everyone who's suggested I'm wrong about wanting to send kids to a £24k/yr school like Eton, here's an article in The Guardian today about the benefits:

"I've heard lots of people from independent schools say this - creating networks at a very early age. When we've done these studies, we've said to people, 'Was it at Oxford that you got to know everybody you know now?' And they've said, 'No, actually it was at school that I met a lot of these people.' While the rest of the population are hanging around, just being teenagers, there's a small proportion of the population who are already developing the networks that will help them in later life."

http://education.guardian.co.uk/publicschools/story/0,,2279015,00.html

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spot n forward, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 09 May 08

John? I can barely hear you, yelling from up on that high horse! I have to say that i strongly disagree (i've worked in sales/structuring & trading at two Tier 1 IBs). Being successful in financial markets has very little to do with degree subject. Or indeed degree at all. Some of the best traders are lacking in a formal education, but have experience and an aptitude for risk. Granted, in 2008, a higher education is necessary as, let's be honest, EVERYONE goes to university, and the skills (hard and soft) that you learn there are invaluable for any career.

But this idea that finance-grads are somehow better able to do a job on a trading floor is laughable. Often these people come in and (a) overanalyse things when time is of the essence and (b) think they know it all, when the real steep point on the learning curve is market conventions, execution and managing sales-trading relationships... all things that you learn precisely zero about at university (notwithstanding a small number of very specialised Masters courses).

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spot n forward, FX & Money Markets,  Fri 09 May 08

u don't strike me as a Guardian reader, Henry!

p.s. agree with you for most of this discussion but very much disagree on the issue of Oxbridge vs other "top" universities!

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Tarquin Farquar, Hedge Funds,  Fri 09 May 08

I don't really believe that Henry, FX & Money Markets, actually works at a bank or in financial markets. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if he's an ex-City recruiter having a laugh. He's prompting everyone to vent their anger and frustration at him for the sake of it.

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Msc, Student,  Fri 09 May 08

I am going to start by thanking everyone for a good read and fair play to everyone who are earning the specified amounts stated through hard work. I am graduating with a Msc in finance this year. However, i have not had an internship so i am not sure what area i would be most suited to. What i do know is that my numerical ability is not strong enough for areas such as trading, yes it is alot better than average but i am trying to be realistic when it comes to the recruitment process. Therefore, what division would people advise me to have a closer look at to apply. Insight from experienced individuals would be helpful. thanks.

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Al, Student,  Fri 09 May 08

What are the skills required for a student to be a good trader? And what is asked during hiring, tons of brainteaser?  How can one understand if he is good or not.

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IRD structuring and trading,  Sat 10 May 08

Henry hahaha ... I follow all your comment and love it. I am graduated from Ecole d'ingenieur Nancy, France... not Cambridge... I started in 2004 with 40K. Cambridge must review their salary... I am VP now but I went through AVP state before the VP... promotions follow Markov chain principle and you cannot jump a state... please you are AVP at the best not VP... may be the jump diffusion process work their and tell me with whom do you slip to get that bump?

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