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Most of my friends went into teaching, charity, consultancy, PR, journalism etc, turned off banking by the perception of long hours et al. 4 years on, I certainly made the right choice, my quality of life is by far superior to my peers. My children will go to £24k/yr boarding schools, theirs will be sent to state grammars, giving them a significant disadvantage for networking.  Read all comments »

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Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.

King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.

According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”

Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.

“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.

“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”

Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.

However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”

Are you overpaid? Should bonuses be reformed? Have your say below.

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spot n forward, FX & Money Markets,  Sat 10 May 08

IRD structuring and trading - where do you work, and what have your performances been like relative to your peers? HUGE disparity between shops (big diff tier 1 and rest) and also between top performers (top 10%) and rest.

MSc & Al - you can be an excellent flow trader with "above average" numerical skils. Granted, unlikely you'll be able to trade exotic products, but trading is more about the ability to stay calm under pressure, manage risk, and retain discipline... cross enough b/o spread, combined with letting winning positions run, and stopping out of wrongs ones in a timely fashion and you can be very successful. In terms of questions at interview, a decent base knowledge of the global macroeconomic landscape is a must, some ability to understand how traded markets operate... forget brainteasers, either you can answer these or you can't. Instead do some spreadbetting with small stakes; feel what it's like to be holding a position.

Good luck.

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ibanker, Investment Banking / M & A,  Sat 10 May 08

Very amusing to read all your comments.

Tarquin, you seem a very insightful person I think you may hit the nail on the head.......

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Sat 10 May 08

IRD, what are you talking about? The AVP position is not widely used in London - at my bank only a few people in Operations and Tech have it. For Sales & Trading, if you're good you spend 2yrs as Analyst, 2yrs Associate then become VP. Vice President by age 25-26 whilst peers are just starting their career only earning £30-40k is a wonderful feeling!

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toptrader, Derivatives,  Sun 11 May 08

Everybody please stop respondoing to Henry - ibanker and tarquin have figured out who he is and by the way I don't think he is doing it just for the sake of it - he is employing a well used method in information gathering. Henry is doing this to obtain market intelligence about compensation packages and sadly, you have all fallen for it.

Ignore him!

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Ducon, Equities,  Wed 14 May 08

Henry really sounds like : "i will impressed them by exposing all of my fantasies. After 4 years i have a £1.2m House, well i wish it was true but they won't know!"

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A Poor Technologist, Information Technology,  Wed 14 May 08

Spare a thought for all those graduates joining technology. I graduated top of my computer science masters course at Oxford. I joined a top bulge bracket in 2007 work 8am-8pm for £35k a year and receive an insultingly small bonus of £1,750. To add to the insult I’m told by my director that I’m one of the best in the team and that I can “get more work done in a day that some in a week”. But that’s what you get from a randomly allocated back office trade management technology rotation. I consider myself tricked.

I’m rotating to Algo trading in July where hopefully my efforts will be appreciated as I’ll be working for a trading cost centre as opposed to a technology one.

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Tarquin Farquar, Hedge Funds,  Thu 15 May 08

I would like to expose Henry for who&what he really is:

Real name: Shifty B'Stard

Employer: Non-desript, business development focused, recruitment agency

Purpose in life: To make £50k a year for as long as possible and then retire to Grays to open a theme pub

Sorry Henry, the game's up...

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MMC, Information Technology,  Thu 15 May 08

Well this certainly has been a very Gud read...highly entertaining...
Just a couple of points to add...henry my friend u consider teachers to be losers u forget that someone somewhere was a teacher to you! and trust me u have most certainly made him/her feel miserable cos the thot of teaching someone like u could make the dead turn in there grave!
and most certainly he woudld not want to read this!!

As a former technologist myself...trust me i feel ur pain..but the one thing that eases the pain is the passion for technology! thats why u should never go into it if u don't live breathe die for it basically be a geek! cos thats what it is!

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spot n forward, FX & Money Markets,  Thu 15 May 08

there i was thinking that this discussion had died!
maybe Henry is a recruiter masquerading as a trader, maybe not? you may think that i don't work in sales/structuring, but i do. you'll have to trust me. fact is that the details that Henry has stated with are accurate (though at the top end of the spectrum for someone at his level).
we can all complain about the inequitable situation caused by the compensation of traders/salespeople, but it's down to supply and demand. fact is that there are only so many that can do the job WELL. there are many that can't and frankly, they don't get paid so well, or quickly find themselves out of a job. furthermore, working on a trading floor is a demanding & stressful environment: not everyone cut out for it, or would enjoy it. i have plenty of friends in other professions, who earn fractions of what bankers do, despite being equally/more able than i. could they do my job better? no. why? because they like the easy life too much; only interested jollies. bankers have a different mentality, they realise that life is expensive, and to enjoy it later on (for most) you need to put in some hard yards (and have a bit of luck along the way).

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fxo man, Trading,  Fri 16 May 08

haha - spot & fwd - that is so true. nail on head. all these people earning relatively good wage, and spray it all up wall... they spend twice what i do despite earing far less. i think banking teaches you valuable skills about real life economics. man on the street isn't going to know what's hit him in 10-20y time.

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