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Anywhere from 60% to 90% of banks’ summer interns will receive an offer to come back and work full time once their summer stint’s over. Making sure you’re part of that group is easy enough, just so long as you…

Look the part: There’s no need to wear Armani, but yes, you’ll need a suit of some kind. “I went to TM Lewin and Hawes & Curtis to buy shirts,” says Meera Judge, a Cass Business school student who interned at Fortis Investments last year and is interning at Lehman this summer. “You need to look professional, but you don’t need to spend loads of money – if a Primark suit passes as professional, that will be ok,” she adds.

Swot up in advance: Most banks will send some preparatory training for you to complete before the internship. Needless to say, you’ll need to do this. Even if you don’t get the prep pack, it’s worth swotting up of your own accord. Read the eFinancialCareers Weekly News Digest. Get very familiar with computer packages: Excel and Datastream are your best bet – you should find Datastream in the economics department of your university; it’s a database of company and economic data.

Work like a fiend at all times: You’re spending your summer in an investment bank, not a holiday camp. “If I went home at 9pm it was a miracle. The latest was around 2.30am, but on average it was more 12am to 1.30am,” says an Oxford student who interned in corporate finance last year.

“Even if you’re rotating on a desk that isn’t top of your list, don't be tempted to slack off. At the end of the day you are being hired firstly into the firm. A bad impression is a bad impression, and people talk, so leave a good impression wherever you go,” says a Cambridge student who got an offer from the markets division of a tier-one firm.

Never be late for anything, ever: “It’s crucial that you’re always on time for every appointment, whomever it may be with,” says the same student. “Failure to do this is a reflection of poor time management and may leave people with the wrong impression. My advice: get there five minutes early, rather than one minute late.”

Don’t make mistakes: “Banks are totally obsessed with accuracy,” says another former Oxford student. “Everyone’s going to make errors, but if you produce some research and hand it in with a mistake you can guarantee they’ll spot it. You need to be really thorough.”

Don’t ask stupid questions at stupid moments: Last summer’s interns were in the thick of things when the credit crunch went from something to do with a few Bear Stearns hedge funds to a liquidity threat for the global financial system. Needless to say, they had to choose their moment to ask how to enter a formula in Excel.

“It can be difficult to be there,” says an intern from summer 2007. “You don’t want to get in the way, but at the same time there’s not much point in you sitting there and doing nothing. Write down the questions you want to ask and pick your moment to ask them – the end of the day is good.”

Don’t wait for work to fall into your lap: In some internships you’ll be spoon fed projects and tasks to work on, in others you won’t. Either way, you’ll need to get out and talk to people. “The people on an internship who haven’t got a hope in hell of getting a job are the ones who just sit there and don’t talk to anyone,” says a former intern. “You need to network with the senior guys and make jobs for yourself – suggest things you can do to help out.”

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Anonymous,  Fri 16 May 08

Brown nosing, brown nosing, brown nosing. Just make sure by the end of it you don't wipe it off, so all the team can see how much love it!

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Mike, Student,  Sat 17 May 08

The reason banks have screwed up so bad recently is simply because the staff are trained up to do their role but they do not understand finance as a whole. That's why they buy subprime mortgage debt without really thinking about the quality or the implications of doing it.  When the CEO of UBS does not know what a CDO is, you realise you are dealing with an industry full of morans.  Just why they do not want people trained in finance is beyond me, but some senior bankers told me its because they want you trained "their way".  They tell me banks are simply big sales institutions which make money selling products which nobody understands, and those educated in finance see through this, wheras engineers do not, so they can sell and structure the products more convincingly.  What do you guys think?

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Ex-intern, now grad,  Sun 18 May 08

Couldnt agree more with the point on the correct timing of questions. Another thing to add: be the first person to be at your desk; be the last one to leave. Last summer a fellow intern kept arriving around 7.30 on her desk (FICC s&t), when her entire team would be in by 7am. In the end, her team started spreadbetting on her arrival. Needless to say, she ended up without a full-time offer.

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mike, Quantitative Analytics,  Sun 18 May 08

What to do if you dont have a graduate job?

Educational

1) Do a masters degree
2) Do the CFA Level 1
3) Do the FSA exams
4) Learn a language

Recruitment

1) Network, do informational interviews and gain contacts, alumni is a good starting point, as well as Bloomberg

2) Talk to recruitment agencies

3) Talk to headhunters

4) Look for ad-hoc vacancies on company websites / efinancialcareers / monster.com

4) Go to Dubai / Shanghai

5) Re-apply to graduate schemes for following year

6) Consider an alternative career in management consulting / law / private banking / retail banking

7) Target small firms

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Sam, Student,  Fri 23 May 08

It really sounds scary out there.

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Summer intern in Merrill in 1 month, Quantitative Analytics,  Sun 01 Jun 08

Any other advice for a summer intern besides the ones cited above?

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Summer intern in Merrill in 1 month, Quantitative Analytics,  Sun 01 Jun 08

Mike since you quant analyst do you have any advice for me?

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B, Student,  Thu 26 Jun 08

To Mike: I will graduate next year. But I`m sure of that there are much more possibilities abroad than here.Dubai,Hong Kong, or Japan can be as good as London. As international student I think until you`re able to relocate take your chance. The big ones axing so many jobs nowadays, so you have to compete all those people not just with fresh graduates. I`m not investing loads of money to end up in a 15-20K job after I`ve graduated. Did you?

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Dani, Corporate Banking,  Sat 05 Jul 08

Dont exagerate guys, I interned twice at a major IB (probbaly 2nd ito reputation and 1st in history) ...and the team was very chilled & relaxed, they made fun of me when I tried to stay late ... I always started at 9, exceptionally at 8 ...but still, I was invited for 2nd internship ....

It all depends on the team and the division .. just DO YOUR WORK efficiently and keep a good humour, stayin longer than it takes wont increase ur chances

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