It might not be the glamorous side of the business, but some investment banks are still looking to take on students for roles in operations – for both full-time and internship posts. Don’t think, however, that this is your ticket to the front office for when things pick up again.
JPMorgan still has vacancies for both internships and graduate roles, Barclays Capital has positions on its analyst scheme for operations, and Citigroup and Morgan Stanley are still open to applications for summer internships in this space.
Stephanie Ahrens, head of graduate recruitment at Morgan Stanley, says junior operations roles were historically filled by people on short term contracts, but that the bank is now looking to fill operations roles with graduate trainees. It’s currently looking for 120-150 students for its internship programmes, for two intakes – one in February and one in September.
Rarely a stepping stone
Our current poll shows that 50% of you wouldn’t dream of working in the middle or back office, but that leaves another 50% of you who are prepared to sacrifice your front office ambitions just to get through the door of an investment bank.
One recruiter tell us that although investment banking applications are down 10-15% on 2007, applications to work in operations have remained largely flat on last year.
Applying to operations is probably a good strategy given the current market, but don’t assume that you’ll automatically be able to move into the front office later on. And don’t make your intentions known to recruiters during the interview.
“People come through the application process for the operations business often view it as a stepping stone to the front office,” says one head of graduate recruitment at a major investment bank. “But those people rarely succeed.”
Distance contributes to the difficulty in moving from the back to the front office: the two business functions may not be in the same place. Analysts in operations at JPMorgan, for instance, are more likely to find themselves in Bournemouth or Dublin than London (though there are places here).
Morgan Stanley also splits its graduate intake for operations between London, Glasgow and Budapest.
It is possible to make the move though, and the skills you gain in operations are valued in the front office.
“People who have worked in back office to a sales or trading role and have been very successful because they know the process from beginning to end,” says one graduate recruiter.
How can I now apply for a graduate role in Operations given that I've already (unsuccessfully) applied to other graduate roles for this year?
Add your comment »what is operations generally? what sort of job are the grad recruits expected to do and what makes it so unglamorous that generally fresh grads aren't quite interested?
Add your comment »i know people in operations and to summarise:
1) they tell me ANYONE can do their job, regardless of their background
2) they have to work very hard
3) its boring and process based work
4) everyone in the FO believes they are stupid and treats them as such
5) you have limited hope of moving to FO, both of those I know tried it, the banks humoured them for a bit, but then told them u need to wait 2 years before u can move internally etc.
6) you get paid lots of money :)
From my experience I was offered a move from Global custody to Brokerage within my 14month work placement. I was even invited back to the brokerage team over the Christmas holidays. The key to a quick move is generally being a nice chap and for me, the UK operation only had 150 members of staff. Unfortunately graduating in 2008 has messed up the brokerage role for me due to general head count issues, and I think I'll be making the most of my back office/middle office knowledge to return back to banking.
There are a lot of interesting roles on the operations side and you will get exposure if its a close environment. Try and get on an ops desk that sits next to the traders/brokers, then you'll pick up on a lot and potentially when a position comes up you'll be first inline.
Certainly don't tell the ops manager in an interview that you want to be a "trader".
James
Don t expect to move from the b.o. to the front after 3-6 months experience... Or don t expect to happen suddenly if you don t try hard ..
And yes, if you work hard, and do your best, then you can possibly move... internally...It can happen...but not for everyone..
I worked in the back office at BarCap for 6 months and then got a job in Front Office at HSBC, as an FX execution dealer. I think it is easier to make the move externally. The best tactic is to befriend a bunch of good recruitment consultants and just wait patiently until and opportunity comes along. In this market, though, you could be waiting forever.
For the record I am no longer working in banking. I wasn't learning anything as an execution dealer and I am now doing a Grad Scheme at Experian.
i 'd rather be unemployed than work in b.o. anyday
Add your comment »Bak office is not operations only. There are fun jobs in technology, risk, compliance
Add your comment »I'm planning to join postgraduate course in Finance. Are postgraduate students eligible / allowed for trainee posts in investment banks or any other financial institutions? Is 3-4 months dissertation at the end of course is meant for internship ?
Add your comment »i am really looking for a job in operations but find it quite hard to get into. does any one know people i can get in touch with who can interview me ? pl mail me on imran_ilu_m@yahoo.com
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